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and now a message from the inside of

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode 294 the 11th of May 2014 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia what an interesting show we

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have lined up for you this week a walk

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on the other side a walk on the

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paranormal side we might say Maynard

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spooky action the welcome return of

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maynard spooky action may not and i

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travel to para con 2014 australia's

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paranormal convention held in maitland

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jail has now disused jail bit of a

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tourist attraction and they hired out

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for her our conventions and events it's

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a bit eerie walking around an old jail I

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must say anyway mainan and I travel to

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the convention and chat too many people

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attending speakers and other people and

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I hope may not spooky action will give

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you a bit of an idea of what was going

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on I had a good time may not had a good

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time to say I was impressed by some of

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the talks I I saw would be not quite

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telling the truth however I I did my

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best to be respectful and just a cook in

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the information but thank you to all the

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people there who came up to me and shook

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my hand and said hello Richard so that

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was really nice but very very friendly

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people indeed and coming up after the

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little adventure to the paranormal Expo

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it's a week in science from our friends

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at the Royal Institution of Australia as

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ever what a great segment the week in

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science and a round off the show its

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evidence please with Joe alabaster and

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this week Joe investigates smart

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underwear designed to shield against

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mobile phone radiation ye yes yes Joe

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gets to the bottom of this story she

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won't give you any bumps tears oh I

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could go on wireless underwear what

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protecting your nether regions against

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both phone radiation hmm looking forward

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to this segment myself that's coming up

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to round off the show but before we get

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stuck into this week's skeptic zone I

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hope you're all enjoying watching the

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cosmos TV series I certainly am for

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those of you in Australia tonight's

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episode is episode 9 the Lost Worlds of

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planet Earth and this episode i think is

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one of my favorite so far in the current

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series coming up on the national

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geographic channel here in australia and

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world in north america especially coming

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an interesting look into the life and

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works and legacy of michael faraday and

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my order I'm enjoying the show so much

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and that's coming out on the tenth of

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and DVD June tenth watch your local

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wonderful people here in Australia at

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the National Geographic Channel who have

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excellent series and not only preview

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last couple of episodes to have a the

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a lot more coming and a big thank you to

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those people who do contribute to the

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skeptic zone via paypal at the skeptics

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help us get to para con may not an eye

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road trip you might say yeah reporting

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para con so those people who do

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contribute you know I think you'll take

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an extra pleasure and listening to this

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week's episode well that's enough from

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cushion sleeping I as he does gonna go

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honey popcorn well i'm doing that i hope

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his main art Sookie action at the

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will not be able to contain myself I

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myself that I haven't realized you know

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that there's power in my own pants that

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I've never used let's keep it that way

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you may not let's just keep it that way

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while we drive to meet look what I got

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power in my shirt and I've got a little

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international studios casting cap I did

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an orange couch and it was funky wasn't

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don't worry may not your secret's safe

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what's this now they're after us hide

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the Bee Gees albums boy that was a close

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the Night Fever it might be one of their

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when spirits having flown and the police

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just arrived just a right of maitland

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jail not for the first time although

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this time I'm a free man I'm standing

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next to another free man of the land

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even perhaps it's a Alex chaos hello

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Alex the organizer of Perak on Australia

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2014 a brave move yes very brave very

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happy to be what sort of background have

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management so all those skills came very

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handy and putting together this

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conference look I for one really think

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conferences in Australia because a lot

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conspiracy in it and I dig that yeah

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Australia's only paranormal conference

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nexus magazine and that sort of thing

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influence as well I've been watching

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para cons in Europe para cons in America

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alternative theory of reality how do you

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pick and choose to who to come to this

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conference that's a very good question

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you got everybody you've got everyone on

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a call spectrum of opinions and mental

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states yeah I had a little bit of a

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criteria there I really wanted them they

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need to have some some work to their

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joost or television that sort of thing

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who have lots of clocked lots of hours

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value so they have to be passionate

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speakers do they jump at the chance to

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first time here and they were thrilled

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from the baguette go so yeah they want

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because okay why isn't von Daniken here

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scotch new cigar on stage I didn't have

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his direct email and can't get a hold of

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his manager that's probably why ok now

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what about the ancient alien guy is the

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guy with the fantastic hair carcass what

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his name is yeah well it looks like

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you've got a list so if you want to pass

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that on to me there's always 2015

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definitely and look and would do

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everywhere I put your putting it your

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head on the block for a bit of money

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here well they would as you do with any

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event will you be worried and what's

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been the response for the first one here

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we've got a really good response what my

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ticket projection was right on so I'm

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quite proud of that yes it is a big

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investment but I think it's worth it

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this is just the beginning I hope that

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Paragon Australia becomes quite a

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cornerstone of the events that go on in

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Australia and what about the audience

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you've attracted this first go-around is

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it who you thought or not well I mean

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we've got a ray of people mostly Sydney

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Newcastle base but people have come from

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New Zealand for it we've even got

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registered guests from Las Vegas okay

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now you put your money where your mouth

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is who's your favorite guest you booked

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a lot of people I know you're not

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supposed to have a favorite child but

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you know I'm bit of a fan of the been

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from fact or faked Joe because he was

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pretty special and just he just looked a

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bit stoned through most of the show to

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which I'm going to ask him about I know

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he's a law enforcement official but he

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had that Scooby quality about him yeah

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all right it is hard and I do love them

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or a real thrill was to bring Robert

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Murch out who's doing all the Ouija

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board stuff i like it because you know

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we do boards such a hot topic with

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everyone yeah they love it or hate it

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you guys are having an external Ouija

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board event getting a Ouija board party

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we are later tonight we'll be doing

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Ouija board shots I hope what I'm Ouija

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board videos I definitely hope so yes

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say he's be a really cool guy lot too

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you know knows the history throughout

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you know where it started throughout

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film everything so you know he's a

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plethora of information on top deck and

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on a serious note too although we have

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we are looking at alternative theories

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here I think it's very important to

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treat people with respect and have you

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found people here that they're all

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they're all taking it on board quite

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well have they yeah look everyone I

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think so far is very open minded all you

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have a lot of people crossing

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disciplines if you like you know ghost

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hunters approaching the UFO researchers

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which is nice to see as well and there

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is a lot of mutual respect so we haven't

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had any issues okay yes no thank you i'm

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here at the conference what's your

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interest and why you heard paragon today

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I'm actually the I'm a ghost tour guy

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goes to operator yeah Maitland jail no

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no no no but yeah and I also run the

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Australian paranormal and spiritual

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expose so I'm just here networking this

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is in competition is that this isn't

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dark on not good friends now this is

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known as a Australia's most haunted jail

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one of them better say yeah because I

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got to say every jail if you were

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looking for bad energy would be a place

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to look apart from a cemetery I guess

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totally yeah yeah you wouldn't think

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pleasant things happened in here now and

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what do you make of the range of people

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that have come here because we've had

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I'd spoke to the organizer and we've had

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New Age conferences before but this is

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more paranormal thing verging on the

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occasional conspiracy thing and I kind

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of like that it gets a bit of a

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political thing go Eddie yeah yeah yeah

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it's great it's something new yeah yeah

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it's something Australia needs it's all

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internationally they do it all the time

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so we need it yeah but who would you

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like to see here as a guest of course

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I've mentioned their heavy hitters like

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you von Daniken your thoughtful arcus

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from ancient aliens who would you like

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to see here I like people like David

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Rountree he's really i like i like his

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thoughts um i don't know i like the

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guests that they've got here i think

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they've got a great lineup yeah what is

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doing some skeptics that'd be good oh

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yeah well we've got Richard president of

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the skeptics behind it there you

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obviously have a great discussion but

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tell me where do you think is it changed

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at all the scene of the paranormal in

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Australia I know we don't have the

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continuous conferences like a lumen

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America to feed what's going on but does

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it change

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it has it's a lot more popular now with

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the advent of all the ghost shows yes so

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it's a lot more popular it's not taking

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quite as seriously as it used to be

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because people it's got more of an

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interest in with you so look I've got

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EVP interest to me because I can't

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figure out how you can tell a real one

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from one that can be a mistake how do

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you sit on the EVP because that would be

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something that maybe people use

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contemporaries tools I'm not the best

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person to speak about that i think

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there's um there's good signs for and

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against EVP so yeah I think there's too

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much possibility of radio interference

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and just matrixing and peridot Lee audio

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peridot leo exactly exactly so I think

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people do jump to the paranormal

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conclusion too often so yeah yeah but

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that is fascinating the EVPs and do some

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of the ghost shows they have on

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television annoy you as someone who does

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that as a tour guide because obviously

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you aren't trying to sensationalize

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stuff but on television they kind of

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have to to make it entertaining and does

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that annoy does you take a little

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paranormal fist at the television

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sometimes no no it's all it's all

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entertainment you've got to do it it's

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entertainment yeah people love it yes

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yeah because we have a similar thing I

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can't really force my thoughts on on

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what other people you can't force your

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beliefs on people so yeah if people

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believe in things like orbs and stuff

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like that on the tour's Who am I to say

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that I'm right and they're wrong and if

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we if a regular person was to go

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somewhere and have experienced something

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where's the most place in Australia that

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has some sort of experience for you to

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say my one of my venues the castle a

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powerhouse art center now number one why

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is it such a spooky powerful place it's

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just got such a range of different it

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wasn't always a power station it was

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like a picnic ground beforehand so

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there's lots of drownings lots of debts

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on the railway stat line it's just it's

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quite morbid its industrial it's dirty

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it's gritty and this is a great place to

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take a tour because if you're if you

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want to experience that or you don't

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want to experience that it's a place

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where you can tell history to people and

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even if they just go along for history

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to it it's still great to exactly

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exactly that's exactly what we do and we

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give people free time to wander around

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as well so they're not constantly

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supervise so

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yeah that's great I have a great day you

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today and I think more of this kind of

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thing you know even if it's just pure

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entertainment or you want to come a long

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taper hopefully having Richard there

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about what cookie as I live and breathe

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this is take two I don't know what city

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I mean it's Allison Tobin from Abilene

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yeah you or other skeptics I years I

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musicals i had a huge fun on that yeah

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you can to our tour down at the adelaide

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jail the ghostie two hours yes yes yeah

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what's happened in the six years since

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then and why I actually branched out and

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started my home ghost tours portage

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verizon's not where I'm still at the

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jail are you I'm their information

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officer there for history but branched

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out and start doing dark history tours

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and ghost tours so trying to get history

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across to a generation that isn't

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interested yet so other areas outside

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the jail yep yep we do the old talent

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and pioneer village on the freeway there

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so and what else we do we do dark

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history tours street to us through the

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Adelaide City talking about murders

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executions things like that all the fun

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stories and gore we do Peterborough and

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there the National Railway Museum down

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in Port Adelaide the National Railway

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you see it let us in they've let us free

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in there so ghost on a chair get some

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people in there that's it that's

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interesting I didn't know you'd branched

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out like that because we're standing

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here in the confines of Maitland jail

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and it's quite interesting as the razor

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wire there's the big fences the huge

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walls around as the guard tower over

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there just like you see in the movies

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but you're saying to me earlier this is

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more modern than in Adelaide jail yeah

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i'll look it you walk around and im

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looking at the conditions of some of

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this Jam i think then you'd rather be in

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this jail then the NHA yeah yeah i'm

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insane well I'll under some of the cells

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and I tell you what I wouldn't want to

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be in any jail cut their I mean all the

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all these gels got shut down for a

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reason really the pan to bring them up

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to any condition that the new laws would

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have wanted you know the cost millions

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they're really not the best place to be

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sure had put a lot of teenagers off

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coming back and reoffending though I

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really a delay gel did I'm never going

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to reoffend again up ourselves like a

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doing it Allison how can people find out

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more about your current to us oh look

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they can just go find us on our website

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at late haunted Orizon scom got a you or

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they can go on our Facebook page and see

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what everybody overlaying over later

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haunted horizons a bit of fun for a bit

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of fun for everyone Elysee to come along

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to that I will too great to see you

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again thanks a lot look look I've been

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getting in to submerge here I don't mean

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I've been buying some stuff from a few

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tables and books and stuff it's Robert

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Murch how are you and welcome to

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Australia and a paranormal convention

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here in Maitland thank you so much it's

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a pleasure to be here all the way from

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Boston Massachusetts if you've been

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looking at the history of the Ouija

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board as a Ouija board or we J had do

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you say it because you were showing some

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examples where they said it about five

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different ways it was originally

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trademarked we Jeff but people would

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claim that it would turn into Ouija

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because when they play it they'd vici so

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it just took on a little nickname and

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that the one the Jessica Adams the

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famous Australian astrologist she always

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said to me may not delete the lower

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spirits inhabit the Rieger board and use

538
00:20:41,909 --> 00:20:40,419
that as a place where they can toy with

539
00:20:44,039 --> 00:20:41,919
humans now that that's what I've been

540
00:20:45,900 --> 00:20:44,049
hood oh and the Catholic Church seems to

541
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:45,910
think that as well now is there any

542
00:20:50,039 --> 00:20:48,010
anything in that any evidence to bear

543
00:20:52,409 --> 00:20:50,049
that Adam why do we even think that well

544
00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:52,419
you know what's happened is in pop

545
00:20:57,150 --> 00:20:54,010
culture Ouija board has been used in

546
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:57,160
movies and as a tool for demonic

547
00:21:01,260 --> 00:20:58,690
possession and that's really affected

548
00:21:03,330 --> 00:21:01,270
how we view it when it first started in

549
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:03,340
1890 it was family fun night it was a

550
00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:05,530
game the entire family played and the

551
00:21:10,380 --> 00:21:07,720
reason why early mediums didn't like the

552
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,390
Ouija board was before them the Ouija

553
00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:12,400
boards you had to pay them money to

554
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,530
contact the spirits and suddenly for a

555
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:16,240
dollar fifty you could do it in your own

556
00:21:19,799 --> 00:21:17,770
home so you hit them right in the

557
00:21:21,659 --> 00:21:19,809
pocketbook and so who actually invented

558
00:21:23,130 --> 00:21:21,669
in I Jane night he was at a medium that

559
00:21:23,670 --> 00:21:23,140
thought oh I can market something here

560
00:21:25,650 --> 00:21:23,680
who

561
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,660
into it could be tied to a person well

562
00:21:29,670 --> 00:21:27,520
there are two men that claim to invent

563
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:29,680
the Ouija board and it's ec rush from

564
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:31,810
chestertown Marilyn and Charles Kennard

565
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:34,330
from chestertown Marilyn but the talking

566
00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:36,850
board the general term was around for a

567
00:21:40,500 --> 00:21:38,860
little bit before so we're not sure who

568
00:21:42,660 --> 00:21:40,510
really invented the Ouija board it's

569
00:21:44,340 --> 00:21:42,670
still a mystery but now it's still

570
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:44,350
license to Parker Brothers and which

571
00:21:50,010 --> 00:21:46,210
happened in the 60 some time and it's

572
00:21:52,590 --> 00:21:50,020
it's a game exactly so in 1966 it was

573
00:21:54,570 --> 00:21:52,600
sold to Parker Brothers and 1991 Hasbro

574
00:21:57,210 --> 00:21:54,580
bought parker brothers and they make the

575
00:21:59,100 --> 00:21:57,220
Ouija board today and you showed some

576
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,110
clips and Fox News warns people on a

577
00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:00,880
regular basis about the Ouija board has

578
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:03,700
it been any likely moral panic or a soul

579
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:05,770
panic about the Ouija board no you know

580
00:22:10,650 --> 00:22:08,170
today the Ouija board has has fallen and

581
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:10,660
is following that rise in pop culture

582
00:22:14,730 --> 00:22:13,210
with the supernatural and the paranormal

583
00:22:16,410 --> 00:22:14,740
so with all these paranormal shows and

584
00:22:18,810 --> 00:22:16,420
the interest it's in it people are going

585
00:22:20,190 --> 00:22:18,820
back to starting to use Ouija boards

586
00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:20,200
because they're starting to feel that

587
00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:22,120
it's just another tool but there's no

588
00:22:25,950 --> 00:22:24,220
difference between that and say a k2

589
00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:25,960
meter or something else they might use

590
00:22:30,810 --> 00:22:28,420
and how did you get involved to be a

591
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:30,820
Ouija board specialist how did how did

592
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:33,130
this happen it's an interesting thing

593
00:22:36,540 --> 00:22:34,750
looked at the history of barbies

594
00:22:38,490 --> 00:22:36,550
interesting history of the Ouija board

595
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:38,500
and these clips you showed today show

596
00:22:42,810 --> 00:22:41,050
that like man it is a great tool in

597
00:22:45,420 --> 00:22:42,820
movies isn't it that you get it's a

598
00:22:47,730 --> 00:22:45,430
great plot device it's an amazing tool

599
00:22:50,010 --> 00:22:47,740
to show visually and create suspense

600
00:22:51,780 --> 00:22:50,020
because it's slow and intense put your

601
00:22:53,910 --> 00:22:51,790
fingers on it it starts to move it

602
00:22:57,510 --> 00:22:53,920
causes tension so yes it's great I

603
00:22:58,920 --> 00:22:57,520
started back in college in 1992 I picked

604
00:23:01,020 --> 00:22:58,930
up my first couple boards for some

605
00:23:02,430 --> 00:23:01,030
friends and then realized I had 10

606
00:23:03,630 --> 00:23:02,440
boards and they were all different and I

607
00:23:05,940 --> 00:23:03,640
just thought there was only one Ouija

608
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:05,950
board which is not true and where do you

609
00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:07,570
personally feel on do you think it is a

610
00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:09,460
way to communicate with another realm or

611
00:23:13,230 --> 00:23:11,260
it is just a good social thing to do I

612
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:13,240
think that it can be both I think there

613
00:23:17,370 --> 00:23:15,130
are people who believe that it crosses

614
00:23:18,210 --> 00:23:17,380
the veil to talk to the other side I

615
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:18,220
think there are people who believe

616
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:19,900
you're talking to your subconscious and

617
00:23:23,220 --> 00:23:21,250
then there are psychics who believe it's

618
00:23:25,140 --> 00:23:23,230
just calming it's causing a psychic link

619
00:23:27,090 --> 00:23:25,150
between the two players so I think

620
00:23:29,670 --> 00:23:27,100
depending on your talent and abilities

621
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:29,680
it can be one or all three what's the

622
00:23:31,869 --> 00:23:31,090
most unusual experience you have had

623
00:23:33,729 --> 00:23:31,879
during a wage

624
00:23:35,199 --> 00:23:33,739
session I think the most unusual thing

625
00:23:36,969 --> 00:23:35,209
the Ouija board has done for me is bring

626
00:23:38,619 --> 00:23:36,979
me to Australia I had to be honest with

627
00:23:40,719 --> 00:23:38,629
you it would have called that one yeah

628
00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:40,729
that's true have you had people coming

629
00:23:44,769 --> 00:23:42,440
along here and yours is very much a

630
00:23:45,959 --> 00:23:44,779
historical that make up the evidence for

631
00:23:48,099 --> 00:23:45,969
yourself talk I found it fascinating

632
00:23:49,899 --> 00:23:48,109
have had people come up to you and go

633
00:23:50,979 --> 00:23:49,909
you shouldn't be doing that you know yes

634
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:50,989
and there's a lot of people who think

635
00:23:55,569 --> 00:23:53,809
that by educating people I'm pushing the

636
00:23:57,759 --> 00:23:55,579
use of the Ouija board and I'm not I'm

637
00:23:59,289 --> 00:23:57,769
actually just trying to educate them so

638
00:24:01,239 --> 00:23:59,299
that if they have an opinion it's an

639
00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:01,249
educated opinion it's just as much a

640
00:24:05,889 --> 00:24:03,769
social history to it tells you what in

641
00:24:07,329 --> 00:24:05,899
1919 obviously everybody wanted to go

642
00:24:09,099 --> 00:24:07,339
there was more dead people because the

643
00:24:10,899 --> 00:24:09,109
First World War obviously that's why the

644
00:24:12,819 --> 00:24:10,909
risin that happened that's right wars

645
00:24:15,729 --> 00:24:12,829
and economic downturn always cause

646
00:24:17,469 --> 00:24:15,739
people to go turn to very basic answers

647
00:24:19,779 --> 00:24:17,479
and in a time before the Internet before

648
00:24:21,279 --> 00:24:19,789
the cell phones for their iPads they

649
00:24:23,649 --> 00:24:21,289
wanted answers and so they turn to

650
00:24:25,629 --> 00:24:23,659
something simple and easy there's a been

651
00:24:27,969 --> 00:24:25,639
an attempt at I digitized way she bought

652
00:24:30,339 --> 00:24:27,979
many attempts and actually if people go

653
00:24:32,259 --> 00:24:30,349
on their iPhone or the Android store

654
00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:32,269
they can download quite a few I think it

655
00:24:35,559 --> 00:24:33,109
loses something in the translation

656
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:35,569
because of being physically there and

657
00:24:39,819 --> 00:24:37,849
present is something that also again I

658
00:24:42,969 --> 00:24:39,829
think that's why it's so appealing today

659
00:24:44,619 --> 00:24:42,979
again because the technology has made

660
00:24:46,869 --> 00:24:44,629
everything very sterile so people who

661
00:24:48,609 --> 00:24:46,879
who go on ghost hunts the stools and

662
00:24:49,959 --> 00:24:48,619
they set them down and walk away there's

663
00:24:51,189 --> 00:24:49,969
nothing like sitting down on a Ouija

664
00:24:53,019 --> 00:24:51,199
board and feeling a move under your

665
00:24:54,399 --> 00:24:53,029
fingers something I've been asking all

666
00:24:55,899 --> 00:24:54,409
the participants here today might be

667
00:24:57,219 --> 00:24:55,909
slightly outside you feel but it does

668
00:24:58,809 --> 00:24:57,229
relate to your last answer there how do

669
00:25:00,430 --> 00:24:58,819
you feel about electronic voice

670
00:25:02,049 --> 00:25:00,440
phenomenon the fact that you may be able

671
00:25:04,029 --> 00:25:02,059
to get voices from the other side from

672
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:04,039
radio slightly off the station to me it

673
00:25:07,449 --> 00:25:05,809
seems a little bit too convenient tool

674
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:07,459
for people in another realm to use what

675
00:25:10,629 --> 00:25:08,809
you'll be well you know what's

676
00:25:12,639 --> 00:25:10,639
fascinating about EVPs as well as

677
00:25:14,139 --> 00:25:12,649
talking boards as well as any tool

678
00:25:17,139 --> 00:25:14,149
that's been used to talk to the dead it

679
00:25:18,639 --> 00:25:17,149
always reflects the technology people

680
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:18,649
are using to talk to each other of the

681
00:25:23,139 --> 00:25:21,289
day so people even Edison created

682
00:25:24,579 --> 00:25:23,149
devices to try to talk to the dead

683
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:24,589
because they believed well if I could

684
00:25:28,209 --> 00:25:26,569
use a phone to talk to a living person I

685
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:28,219
just have to change it a little so that

686
00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:29,690
i could talk to someone dead so it

687
00:25:32,979 --> 00:25:31,190
doesn't surprise me that people try this

688
00:25:35,019 --> 00:25:32,989
i don't know if it works any better I

689
00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:35,029
mean I i have not had that many

690
00:25:38,529 --> 00:25:36,769
experiences so i don't know but it is

691
00:25:40,299 --> 00:25:38,539
fascinating the way can we catch you

692
00:25:41,349 --> 00:25:40,309
online and find out a bit more and

693
00:25:43,959 --> 00:25:41,359
you'll have any leads you've lured you

694
00:25:45,890 --> 00:25:43,969
forgot i have about 500 different boards

695
00:25:47,390 --> 00:25:45,900
and then variations of those so

696
00:25:49,100 --> 00:25:47,400
at this point a couple thousand so I

697
00:25:51,230 --> 00:25:49,110
have enough lot and if you want to learn

698
00:25:54,500 --> 00:25:51,240
more about me you can go to Robert Murch

699
00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:54,510
com and if you want to learn about Ouija

700
00:25:59,150 --> 00:25:56,280
boards you can go to William Fuld ful

701
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:59,160
decom I believe that your favorite Luigi

702
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:00,240
bullet would have to be the My Little

703
00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:02,730
Pony version oh absolutely pink is the

704
00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:07,620
best Barbies great we are here at old

705
00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:09,540
Maitland jail and we're going to spend a

706
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:11,940
bit of time here at here I am as you can

707
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:14,970
hear from the echo in the old bath gotta

708
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,290
love showers going in and of course you

709
00:26:19,790 --> 00:26:17,940
come to the corner of any prison

710
00:26:21,980 --> 00:26:19,800
bathroom and a pardon the echo but it

711
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:21,990
does create quite an atmosphere who we

712
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:24,450
got here I'm Ashley Hall otherwise known

713
00:26:28,550 --> 00:26:26,640
as the paranormal guide and i hail from

714
00:26:30,350 --> 00:26:28,560
South Australia and have come down for

715
00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:30,360
the weekend for Australian pero con so

716
00:26:34,790 --> 00:26:32,190
you normally take to us around atla gel

717
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:34,800
I know not at Lajoie actually work for a

718
00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:36,690
company called outlets haunted horizons

719
00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:39,390
and we have a couple of locations around

720
00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:41,460
South Australia such as old town town

721
00:26:47,930 --> 00:26:44,310
old pioneer village I'm st. Cecilia's an

722
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:47,940
old bishops mansion and borrow an old

723
00:26:51,830 --> 00:26:49,650
mining town as well as a couple of

724
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:51,840
daytime crime to us as well well we

725
00:26:54,380 --> 00:26:52,980
might just move around here because the

726
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:54,390
echo is pretty good but as you can tell

727
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:56,220
we are actually in the shower block and

728
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:57,810
we just move a little bit out and

729
00:27:02,390 --> 00:26:59,400
suddenly all those echoes go away

730
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:02,400
actually fantastic SAR great between the

731
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,070
outside world and the bathroom now well

732
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,480
you reckon of our conference here at

733
00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:08,400
Maitland here a paranormal conference in

734
00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:10,830
new castle absolutely brilliant I've

735
00:27:14,780 --> 00:27:12,870
been to the jail before but of an

736
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,790
investigator at night but there's so

737
00:27:18,110 --> 00:27:16,620
much more life here during the day with

738
00:27:20,570 --> 00:27:18,120
you know as hundreds of people come here

739
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:20,580
to see international guests as well as

740
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:22,590
local paranormal personalities here at

741
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:25,050
from Australia and till the listener but

742
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:26,610
basically thinking everyone who's come

743
00:27:29,090 --> 00:27:27,780
in here there's a bit be a certain

744
00:27:30,260 --> 00:27:29,100
percent of the audience that thinks the

745
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:30,270
people are coming into this conference

746
00:27:37,150 --> 00:27:35,130
are cooks okay that's what they might

747
00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:37,160
think I'm a kook is well in that case

748
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:39,110
it's a great range of people's it

749
00:27:43,090 --> 00:27:41,580
absolutely like you know all walks of

750
00:27:45,549 --> 00:27:43,100
life as I say though there's

751
00:27:47,020 --> 00:27:45,559
young as old as there's thickness then

752
00:27:49,419 --> 00:27:47,030
there's people with an interest that's

753
00:27:51,010 --> 00:27:49,429
their skeptics here so I think everyone

754
00:27:52,930 --> 00:27:51,020
can really come together an event like

755
00:27:54,610 --> 00:27:52,940
this and take something home something

756
00:27:56,289 --> 00:27:54,620
new some new history some of these

757
00:27:58,180 --> 00:27:56,299
stories and just have maybe an

758
00:28:00,700 --> 00:27:58,190
experience I'll turn this apparently

759
00:28:02,529 --> 00:28:00,710
haunted jail you've apparently you are

760
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,539
allegedly been to summon allegedly

761
00:28:06,460 --> 00:28:04,640
Adelaide spookiest spots how does

762
00:28:10,029 --> 00:28:06,470
Maitland jail stack up against that in

763
00:28:12,370 --> 00:28:10,039
on the spooky ometer the spooky Amida i

764
00:28:14,650 --> 00:28:12,380
would say yet definitely are this is

765
00:28:16,570 --> 00:28:14,660
much larger than the a blade jail and

766
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:16,580
you know we don't have threat like

767
00:28:21,399 --> 00:28:19,370
towering cell blocks like they have here

768
00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:21,409
so you know when when the lights go out

769
00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:23,059
here and get stuck it does get

770
00:28:27,250 --> 00:28:25,940
incredibly creepy so on the spook ometer

771
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:27,260
I'd say it's definitely up there are

772
00:28:32,830 --> 00:28:30,950
some of our greatest as well oh man it

773
00:28:34,779 --> 00:28:32,840
is happening here in maitland jail but

774
00:28:36,460 --> 00:28:34,789
that spooky action resistance let me

775
00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:36,470
tell you there's no distance we are

776
00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:38,120
right in the central of spooky action

777
00:28:43,419 --> 00:28:41,780
just behind me is the prisoners dental

778
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,429
wing with the dental chair have you seen

779
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:45,919
this Richard III I just walked past it

780
00:28:50,380 --> 00:28:47,809
now and I saw a dentist chair but let's

781
00:28:52,270 --> 00:28:50,390
have a look inside oh this is the prison

782
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:52,280
dentist and they've actually got some of

783
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:54,530
the equipment I think from the 60s when

784
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:56,210
this was stopped using better look at

785
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:57,919
that imagine getting you your view root

786
00:29:01,210 --> 00:28:59,330
canal done in the air doesn't look like

787
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:01,220
it inviting dentists shop at all doesn't

788
00:29:04,539 --> 00:29:02,809
know which is what have you made of

789
00:29:05,950 --> 00:29:04,549
today here we're just looking around

790
00:29:07,510 --> 00:29:05,960
here there's been some people from the

791
00:29:09,580 --> 00:29:07,520
one that you were the the skeptic on

792
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,590
there's been so a history of the Ouija

793
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:11,120
board which is fascinating a social

794
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,890
history the Ouija board and we're

795
00:29:17,890 --> 00:29:14,720
getting into some abductions later this

796
00:29:20,140 --> 00:29:17,900
afternoon what do you reckon I've

797
00:29:21,940 --> 00:29:20,150
enjoyed it so far I really have I would

798
00:29:23,980 --> 00:29:21,950
the first thing I saw was the cryptids

799
00:29:25,659 --> 00:29:23,990
in New Zealand the mysterious monsters

800
00:29:27,730 --> 00:29:25,669
which was quite interesting and then I

801
00:29:28,370 --> 00:29:27,740
heard a bit psychic talk for about an

802
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:28,380
hour and

803
00:29:33,770 --> 00:29:31,590
or so about her experiences and you've

804
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:33,780
seen psychics a few times with with

805
00:29:36,890 --> 00:29:35,490
audience or members of the public with

806
00:29:38,180 --> 00:29:36,900
the members of the public asking the

807
00:29:39,710 --> 00:29:38,190
normal questions that you would normally

808
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:39,720
ask of a psychic was anything different

809
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:41,610
going on what sort of happened there I

810
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:43,080
don't know if you could ever say there's

811
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:45,240
normal questions you asked us i keep but

812
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:46,650
imagine most people want to either hear

813
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:48,900
from the other side or glean some

814
00:29:52,370 --> 00:29:50,850
information that they want they were

815
00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:52,380
more or less relating their own

816
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:54,510
experiences back to the psychic for her

817
00:29:58,960 --> 00:29:56,970
impressions and comments which is fine

818
00:30:01,130 --> 00:29:58,970
people can do that if they want to and

819
00:30:02,750 --> 00:30:01,140
what do you can what is it was really

820
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:02,760
tweaked your imagination on what's going

821
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:05,220
on here today well I'm looking forward

822
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:07,290
to the abduction part myself but if you

823
00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:09,960
looked inside the cell block mean I hear

824
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:12,270
that's pretty spooky action I can tell

825
00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:14,250
you that's I'm glad I'm not a criminal i

826
00:30:17,030 --> 00:30:15,990
can i can tell you I've been spending a

827
00:30:19,580 --> 00:30:17,040
bit of time in the shower block

828
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,590
personally and I got to say it wasn't

829
00:30:23,900 --> 00:30:21,960
going to mention anything for this the

830
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:23,910
acoustics are they are fantastic but

831
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:27,000
they are too yeah but I you know I as a

832
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:28,860
skeptic coming here it's it's what

833
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:30,390
skeptics should do they should come

834
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:32,490
along and see what goes on at these sort

835
00:30:36,290 --> 00:30:33,840
of things not to come along and make an

836
00:30:39,230 --> 00:30:36,300
ass out of themselves and yell out or or

837
00:30:41,870 --> 00:30:39,240
or whatever but just to see what's going

838
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:41,880
on and the range of people here looks

839
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:44,790
pretty regular looks like yeah I mean

840
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:46,530
you would I haven't seen one propeller

841
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,720
hat frankly I'm disappointed I haven't

842
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:51,840
seen one aluminium had either but I

843
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:53,730
noticed a lot of people are wearing like

844
00:30:59,810 --> 00:30:56,610
myself black and YouTube to an extent

845
00:31:01,070 --> 00:30:59,820
yes okay yeah I do think this I I would

846
00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:01,080
like to see more of this i know most

847
00:31:04,610 --> 00:31:03,000
skeptics listening wouldn't want to see

848
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:04,620
more of this but i would like to see

849
00:31:07,820 --> 00:31:05,610
more of these conferences because

850
00:31:09,530 --> 00:31:07,830
they're great meeting places to get into

851
00:31:11,390 --> 00:31:09,540
this kind of stuff i see i'd like to see

852
00:31:13,310 --> 00:31:11,400
von Daniken i know he's a dirty word i

853
00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:13,320
know you know you could use a bit of a

854
00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:15,270
swear word in the skeptical scenes but i

855
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:17,070
want to see von Daniken here with a

856
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:18,930
glass of scotch in one hand a bit of

857
00:31:21,980 --> 00:31:20,250
bling on his fingers sitting there

858
00:31:26,030 --> 00:31:21,990
pontificating he could come in his own

859
00:31:27,530 --> 00:31:26,040
chariot so there's anyone fronted you

860
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:27,540
Richard have you been fronted is anyone

861
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:28,980
come to you God all you're that guy who

862
00:31:32,750 --> 00:31:30,990
doesn't believe you dirty von Daniken

863
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:32,760
you I've had people come up wanting to

864
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:34,650
have their photographs taken with me so

865
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:36,900
there you go i was expecting something

866
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:38,250
else but people have been coming up

867
00:31:41,020 --> 00:31:39,810
wanting to meet me which is a bit

868
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:41,030
embarrassing i don't know how to

869
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:44,060
do that without were they the people

870
00:31:47,050 --> 00:31:45,770
with the sidekick at the one so people

871
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:47,060
who went to see the psyche that was on

872
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:48,710
the one poly recognize you as a judge I

873
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:50,360
don't know I didn't ask them they just

874
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:52,640
said can I have my photograph or you're

875
00:31:57,370 --> 00:31:55,520
the you're Richard Saunders soap there

876
00:31:59,290 --> 00:31:57,380
he go I tell you what the woman who is

877
00:32:00,970 --> 00:31:59,300
with the food truck she hasn't been to

878
00:32:02,350 --> 00:32:00,980
maitland job before and she's got an

879
00:32:04,030 --> 00:32:02,360
interest in the paranormal didn't know

880
00:32:06,250 --> 00:32:04,040
this was a paranormal conference and she

881
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:06,260
is just blowing a bubble valve she's

882
00:32:10,420 --> 00:32:08,360
having a great day speaking of the food

883
00:32:12,730 --> 00:32:10,430
truck yeah I think I might head in that

884
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:12,740
direction the word is the pink Donuts of

885
00:32:17,530 --> 00:32:15,490
the ones Richard I hear you may not

886
00:32:18,790 --> 00:32:17,540
likely actually I'm just one ask

887
00:32:20,770 --> 00:32:18,800
generally what does brought you along

888
00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:20,780
here today to this conference in in

889
00:32:25,570 --> 00:32:23,120
maitland or basically I've had an

890
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:25,580
interest in the paranormal and explain

891
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:28,700
basically all my life and I do local

892
00:32:32,470 --> 00:32:30,370
ghost tours down here in morpeth and

893
00:32:34,090 --> 00:32:32,480
yeah it's just a been a fascinating

894
00:32:35,740 --> 00:32:34,100
subject for me on my life I like to have

895
00:32:37,330 --> 00:32:35,750
a balance of viewpoint of things I'm not

896
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:37,340
too skeptical I'm not too too much of a

897
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:38,510
believer like to sort of walk the middle

898
00:32:41,500 --> 00:32:40,310
path so who is the guest that you've

899
00:32:44,530 --> 00:32:41,510
been down most you're sitting over the

900
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:44,540
weekend no one in particular actually

901
00:32:47,860 --> 00:32:46,850
just the whole just they have just come

902
00:32:49,270 --> 00:32:47,870
for the weekend and have a listen to

903
00:32:50,350 --> 00:32:49,280
what anyone's going to save also i got

904
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:50,360
to stall here so i'm here for a bit of

905
00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:53,450
promotion as well so so yeah so yeah now

906
00:32:57,100 --> 00:32:55,520
what's the main spooky action going on

907
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,110
in morpeth by the way I know it's a

908
00:33:02,050 --> 00:32:59,120
place that's got a lot of history yes

909
00:33:03,070 --> 00:33:02,060
absolutely look like I said um my tour

910
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:03,080
isn't about trying to prove to people

911
00:33:06,730 --> 00:33:05,090
that things exist I just take the people

912
00:33:08,140 --> 00:33:06,740
long I tell them the stories that I've

913
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:08,150
been given I don't make anything up I

914
00:33:11,710 --> 00:33:10,490
don't make any story so i just mentioned

915
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:11,720
there's been a few paranormal people

916
00:33:15,370 --> 00:33:13,130
here and i think that's a good place to

917
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:15,380
start go on a historical tour of the

918
00:33:19,330 --> 00:33:17,690
place and let people for where it mate

919
00:33:21,610 --> 00:33:19,340
that's right and now I just basically

920
00:33:22,780 --> 00:33:21,620
take people in and I show them the sites

921
00:33:24,550 --> 00:33:22,790
that are reputed to be haunted and

922
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:24,560
things like that and it's up to them

923
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:26,330
whether they believe it's paranormal or

924
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:28,010
not I don't try to convince them

925
00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,690
otherwise I don't suggest that anything

926
00:33:33,550 --> 00:33:32,120
i show that i do what i call a couple of

927
00:33:35,650 --> 00:33:33,560
psychic exercises and see what people

928
00:33:37,390 --> 00:33:35,660
will pick up in certain areas and i do

929
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:37,400
that repeatedly on tours and sometimes

930
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:39,530
you get people experiencing the same

931
00:33:43,300 --> 00:33:41,930
thing and what do you think is it like

932
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:43,310
obviously you've got the attachment to

933
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:44,810
morpeth there but in all of Australia

934
00:33:47,740 --> 00:33:46,100
what a reckons one place we should go to

935
00:33:49,090 --> 00:33:47,750
where we could experience something or

936
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,100
more likely to what what's a place you

937
00:33:52,180 --> 00:33:50,480
recommend

938
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:52,190
I don't know because most of the places

939
00:33:56,020 --> 00:33:53,929
that I've been to that are supposed to

940
00:33:57,880 --> 00:33:56,030
be so haunted have to not turn it be

941
00:33:59,650 --> 00:33:57,890
that haunted I mean for example here at

942
00:34:00,820 --> 00:33:59,660
Maitland jail I mean admittedly I have

943
00:34:04,299 --> 00:34:00,830
experienced something here I've seen

944
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:04,309
something he one night but I really

945
00:34:07,390 --> 00:34:06,080
didn't have an answer because I think I

946
00:34:08,980 --> 00:34:07,400
think I one of the reasons why I think

947
00:34:10,419 --> 00:34:08,990
that a lot of paranormal stuff has never

948
00:34:13,720 --> 00:34:10,429
been proven is because it's spontaneous

949
00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:13,730
it's not easily repeatable hmm yeah that

950
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:16,369
is a problem yeah then from cited

951
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:17,570
support of you it's difficult to

952
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:20,090
double-blind it and then yeah yeah so i

953
00:34:23,050 --> 00:34:21,679
think i think you know after hundreds of

954
00:34:25,260 --> 00:34:23,060
years of you know psychical research

955
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:25,270
when I Clint no closer to an answer

956
00:34:29,859 --> 00:34:28,700
which is frustrating every what's

957
00:34:33,310 --> 00:34:29,869
frustrating it's a really great few of

958
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:33,320
you guys so yeah like like i said i'm

959
00:34:38,830 --> 00:34:35,690
sorta open to i'm open anything so okay

960
00:34:41,379 --> 00:34:38,840
thank you who we got here we've got ammo

961
00:34:42,460 --> 00:34:41,389
and your errand and what have you been

962
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:42,470
looking forward to at the conference

963
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,850
today what has brought you to maitland

964
00:34:47,590 --> 00:34:45,679
jaya oh it's a bit of fun isn't it

965
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:47,600
something big difference something on

966
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,730
the edge the fringe and who have you

967
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:50,960
seen and who you're looking forward to

968
00:34:55,180 --> 00:34:52,730
see anybody we just watched a history of

969
00:34:57,490 --> 00:34:55,190
Ouija boards that was really fast wasn't

970
00:34:59,530 --> 00:34:57,500
that great because i thought i was going

971
00:35:01,420 --> 00:34:59,540
to get a spooky thing but you got a

972
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:01,430
social history and where it fitted in

973
00:35:05,380 --> 00:35:02,930
absolutely and that's what it's all

974
00:35:07,150 --> 00:35:05,390
about isn't it yeah i'll give what are

975
00:35:09,130 --> 00:35:07,160
you looking forward to today i'm looking

976
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:09,140
forward to sort of the investigation

977
00:35:12,910 --> 00:35:11,359
tonight I think it's all I think ghost

978
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:12,920
hunting and that's one of things a bit

979
00:35:17,380 --> 00:35:15,170
of fun I think I'm not surprised that

980
00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:17,390
the Ouija board was a game I think that

981
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:20,030
people project to this eerie sort of

982
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:22,760
image on something that is just frankly

983
00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:24,530
a bit of fun so yeah so the

984
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,940
investigation tonight should be pretty

985
00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:28,160
good yeah I'm often people go into

986
00:35:30,370 --> 00:35:29,270
something and get what they thought

987
00:35:31,870 --> 00:35:30,380
they're going to get when they go in

988
00:35:33,340 --> 00:35:31,880
really that's what happens well I'm

989
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:33,350
waiting for my inner skeptic to get

990
00:35:38,890 --> 00:35:37,010
rattled so you know it's very easy to be

991
00:35:40,750 --> 00:35:38,900
a skeptic but it's harder at night when

992
00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:40,760
it's dark yeah we go when you hear the

993
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:42,140
funny noise and you can't see it that's

994
00:35:45,970 --> 00:35:43,970
something all that stuff is great fun

995
00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:45,980
great fun okay we'll have a great fun

996
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:50,390
day we will thank you very much coming

997
00:35:53,859 --> 00:35:51,890
to you live now from where the skeptic

998
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:53,869
zone is usually recorded a prison cell

999
00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:55,609
this time the prison cell is make them

1000
00:35:58,500 --> 00:35:57,590
this time the prisoner is Richard

1001
00:36:00,600 --> 00:35:58,510
Saunders

1002
00:36:02,610 --> 00:36:00,610
let me out I mean we are in a real

1003
00:36:05,730 --> 00:36:02,620
prison so I'm not a number I'm a free

1004
00:36:07,770 --> 00:36:05,740
man oh look at that if we look up to the

1005
00:36:10,410 --> 00:36:07,780
top of the cell that's it that slit of

1006
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:10,420
light is the only natural light and if

1007
00:36:21,420 --> 00:36:16,240
we shut the door check out the hinge

1008
00:36:23,370 --> 00:36:21,430
sound heavy iron door with cell bars on

1009
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:23,380
it it's the middle of the day and it's

1010
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:26,050
dark in here yeah how bad is this it's a

1011
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:32,280
wooden bed mm-hmm a sink and that quote

1012
00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:35,650
yes but would well there's classic Baker

1013
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:37,420
like toilet seats everyone knows how

1014
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,370
comfortable they are was it about three

1015
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:42,400
men not even three meters by possibly

1016
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:44,950
one and a half meters that's it hmm

1017
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:48,130
that's it I this is horrible man this is

1018
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:50,230
really horrible yeah look I've been in

1019
00:36:53,850 --> 00:36:52,120
some bad rental accommodation in my time

1020
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:53,860
but let me tell you this is worse than

1021
00:36:59,010 --> 00:36:55,750
anything I've ever I ever rendered in /

1022
00:37:02,280 --> 00:36:59,020
darlinghurst but but i would i would

1023
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:02,290
gladly put a mattress here or some sort

1024
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,210
of something and blanket and easily

1025
00:37:07,980 --> 00:37:06,160
spend the night in this most portant of

1026
00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:07,990
places no yeah if you had your iPhone

1027
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:09,880
and you had all your power going I mean

1028
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:11,710
I just be on Facebook all night yeah

1029
00:37:18,150 --> 00:37:14,710
you're in a facebook of course are you

1030
00:37:19,830 --> 00:37:18,160
in a decent magazine yes I did what the

1031
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,840
Twitter and Facebook so here I am it's

1032
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:21,790
midnight still waiting for the goes to

1033
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:23,410
look at we've had people come up to you

1034
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:25,870
and say oh a professional skeptic a

1035
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:27,880
couple of times here today and but it

1036
00:37:31,410 --> 00:37:29,590
has been pretty pretty straight up with

1037
00:37:32,940 --> 00:37:31,420
you earlier no no one's been rude to you

1038
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:32,950
know everyone's been really nice and

1039
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:35,110
some been curious to see me but

1040
00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:36,730
everyone's been really good oh that the

1041
00:37:40,350 --> 00:37:38,470
last talker was banging the Australian

1042
00:37:43,170 --> 00:37:40,360
skeptics which is interesting yes what

1043
00:37:46,020 --> 00:37:43,180
we saw a talk on poltergeists and I i

1044
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:46,030
thought the evidence of it thin on the

1045
00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:48,460
ground because the electrical fires and

1046
00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:50,020
also it was very informant countries

1047
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:52,270
difficult to prove there was a lot yeah

1048
00:37:57,620 --> 00:37:55,030
it was almost a classic straw man in

1049
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:57,630
some ways yes

1050
00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,359
what I'll say about that it was lit I

1051
00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,400
wasn't that thrilled when the evidence

1052
00:38:05,539 --> 00:38:04,200
presented I'll say that yeah but I

1053
00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:05,549
thought it was interesting a lot of

1054
00:38:08,809 --> 00:38:07,380
people here from ghost tours around

1055
00:38:10,339 --> 00:38:08,819
various places people from Adelaide

1056
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:10,349
people from Melbourne people from Uptown

1057
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:12,569
lat further up the Hunter Valley goes to

1058
00:38:15,859 --> 00:38:14,190
as the phone I've been on several goes

1059
00:38:17,720 --> 00:38:15,869
to us and I always enjoy myself there

1060
00:38:20,029 --> 00:38:17,730
always a giggle and the fun and a bit of

1061
00:38:21,289 --> 00:38:20,039
history thrown in you know and we've had

1062
00:38:22,819 --> 00:38:21,299
a lot bit of backlash from other

1063
00:38:24,980 --> 00:38:22,829
skeptics on Facebook and Twitter about

1064
00:38:26,269 --> 00:38:24,990
why you here why am I here well I'm oh

1065
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:26,279
I'm obviously he goes I'm up for

1066
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,470
anything but you know used to live near

1067
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:30,240
didn't you in this very self is your own

1068
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:34,079
name carved in the wall I I want to see

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I'd like to see more of these things I

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know people think that the these people

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draw a line between something like this

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and the anti-vaccination movement but I

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don't think that's always a given

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Richard and they're different I treat

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this differently you know this is a

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Paranal convention people here with

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ghost stories and interesting things

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00:38:54,740 --> 00:38:52,890
it's a different kettle of fish to the

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hardcore anti-vaccination people out

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there I look at them differently you

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know I'm happy to come along here and

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have a look at investigating whatever

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00:39:05,269 --> 00:39:03,329
it's my treat them differently yeah but

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00:39:07,099 --> 00:39:05,279
look I think you probably have to come

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00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:07,109
back sometime and go on the nighttime

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00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:09,750
goes to her Maitland jail yeah I might

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00:39:13,970 --> 00:39:11,250
do that that would make an interesting

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00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:13,980
report yeah I look at RX gilroy the

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alley man a legend in crypto

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cryptozoology and as it is that's how he

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00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:22,200
pronounces it lozeau ology so if a guy

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00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:23,940
who's been doing it since he's 42 any

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70s now wants to call it the zoology

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00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:27,720
that's why I should call it because the

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00:39:31,849 --> 00:39:29,849
second half of the word is ecology which

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00:39:34,370 --> 00:39:31,859
takes that second away which means it

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00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:34,380
should be zoology I bow to his superior

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knowledge on the matter but him John

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Cena Vorik there they're the two learned

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men of science that I always follow Rex

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go lyrics Gilroy jhansi Dvorak if you

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did well manor of you do well and look

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00:39:48,620 --> 00:39:47,460
look I think I think it is a great we've

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00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:48,630
got to get out to more of these things

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00:39:54,319 --> 00:39:51,599
now falls back into record more intros

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00:39:58,279 --> 00:39:54,329
or something in this sounds and the

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00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:58,289
interesting thing is or skeptics we can

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00:40:00,080 --> 00:39:58,740
come too

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00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:00,090
this as seriously what they're

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00:40:04,850 --> 00:40:02,790
presenting but if perhaps that

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00:40:07,250 --> 00:40:04,860
poltergeist man was at the skeptics

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00:40:09,590 --> 00:40:07,260
conference in November it might not go

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00:40:11,540 --> 00:40:09,600
so well yeah you know what that

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00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,550
poltergeist talk I don't think he would

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00:40:18,020 --> 00:40:14,640
last terribly long because people would

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00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:18,030
be it's hard to say look I wasn't very

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00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:19,470
impressed with the evidence he was

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00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:22,430
giving not at all and it would almost be

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an insult to have people sitting there

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expecting to hear all that not stand up

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00:40:31,310 --> 00:40:28,560
and say well hang on a minute

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00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:31,320
continuously yeah but you know i SAT

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00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:33,510
there in silence you but we're here it's

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a good like the stories are interesting

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00:40:39,650 --> 00:40:37,680
what he was showing was interesting that

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again if you were looking for evidence

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00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,220
there and I was just talking to a member

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of the public then and and they were

1129
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saying that but that's the nature of

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00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:46,580
these events that they're spontaneous

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00:41:07,590 --> 00:41:05,460
hi I'm Finn and I'm Rebecca and we're

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00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:07,600
thus capricorns skipper Collins is an

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00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:09,370
Irish blood cast by the Dublin skeptics

1134
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:11,050
society it takes a conversational

1135
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:12,610
reverent look at science news and

1136
00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:13,870
skeptical topics from an Irish

1137
00:41:26,370 --> 00:41:17,380
perspective you can find us at WWDC

1138
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:28,750
welcome to a weakened science from our

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00:41:34,090 --> 00:41:31,460
oz bringing you the science you need to

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00:41:36,310 --> 00:41:34,100
know flowers that make a great Mother's

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00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:36,320
Day gift valentine's day gift or just

1142
00:41:40,030 --> 00:41:38,480
any day of a year but why do we love

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00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:40,040
giving them as much as we love getting

1144
00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:46,370
them let's find out flowers of the

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00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:48,950
reproductive parts of a plant producing

1146
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:51,740
seeds or pollen many plants have evolved

1147
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:54,620
colorful blooms strong sense and produce

1148
00:41:59,500 --> 00:41:56,930
nectar to attract pollinating animals as

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00:42:01,660 --> 00:41:59,510
part of their reproductive cycle but for

1150
00:42:03,550 --> 00:42:01,670
humans the pleasant aroma of flowers is

1151
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:03,560
more than just a sweet smelling perfume

1152
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:06,290
hidden inside that smell our class of

1153
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:08,390
chemicals known as pro-law endopeptidase

1154
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:11,720
inhibitors or PE eyes when you sniff

1155
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,820
flowers these PE eyes are absorbed into

1156
00:42:18,010 --> 00:42:15,440
your body and increase production of

1157
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:18,020
hormones associated with love arousal

1158
00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:20,330
and memory and it just so happens that

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00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:22,310
the most potent PE eyes are found in

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00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:24,290
roses the preferred flower of

1161
00:42:30,430 --> 00:42:28,550
Valentine's Day but research has shown

1162
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,440
in addition to a chemical boost there

1163
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:31,760
are other good reasons for giving

1164
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,250
flowers as gifts humans have evolved to

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00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:36,560
associate positive emotional responses

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00:42:40,780 --> 00:42:39,290
at the size of flowers this response can

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00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:40,790
significantly lift the mood of the

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00:42:44,350 --> 00:42:42,230
recipient because of the strong

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00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:44,360
connection between smell and memory and

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00:42:48,670 --> 00:42:46,610
in related research scientists are

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00:42:51,010 --> 00:42:48,680
exploring evidence the chemicals found

1172
00:42:53,260 --> 00:42:51,020
in a floral scent may also inhibit

1173
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:53,270
enzymes which cause Alzheimer's disease

1174
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:54,830
but if you need any further

1175
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:56,990
encouragement studies also show that

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00:43:01,120 --> 00:42:58,880
those who give flowers are perceived as

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00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:01,130
more successful caring and emotionally

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00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:02,750
intelligent when compared to giving

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00:43:07,270 --> 00:43:05,630
other similar gifts and now for fast

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00:43:09,260 --> 00:43:07,280
facts about keeping your cut flowers

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00:43:12,299 --> 00:43:09,270
fresh

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00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:12,309
when placing flowers and Avars always

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00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:14,260
recut the stems with a slant while

1184
00:43:18,210 --> 00:43:16,210
immersed in water this will stop air

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00:43:20,010 --> 00:43:18,220
entering the stem and prevent wilting

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00:43:22,559 --> 00:43:20,020
adding the correct concentration of

1187
00:43:24,690 --> 00:43:22,569
sugar bleach or vodka to the water keeps

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00:43:26,789 --> 00:43:24,700
flowers fresh by preventing microbial

1189
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:26,799
growth place your flowers and a cool

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00:43:31,289 --> 00:43:29,049
airy spot and keep them away from the

1191
00:43:33,779 --> 00:43:31,299
fruit bowl gas is produced by fruit will

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00:43:36,359 --> 00:43:33,789
shortz in the flowers life and finally

1193
00:43:38,579 --> 00:43:36,369
never give the carrion flower as a gift

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00:43:40,500 --> 00:43:38,589
apart from standing over 3 meters and

1195
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:40,510
heights its aroma as a stomach-churning

1196
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:45,280
stench of rotting flesh that's it for

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00:43:49,950 --> 00:43:47,410
this week in science for more on the

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science of giving flowers go to the RLS

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website RI aus org a you follow us on

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00:44:06,940 --> 00:43:59,349
i'm ben lewis and we'll catch you next

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00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:09,800
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Australian skeptics subscribe online to

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00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:15,180
the world's second oldest skeptical

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00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:20,490
magazine visit w WC apx com au and click

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the publication's league you can also

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00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:27,210
find their over 30 years on back issues

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free to download the skeptic magazine

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00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:51,789
what we want some more evidence please

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00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:04,810
hello this is Joe alabasta

1211
00:45:09,700 --> 00:45:07,390
an article by technology reporter James

1212
00:45:14,260 --> 00:45:09,710
Billington appeared on used Kwame you on

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00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,270
the 7th of May 2014 titled quote the

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00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:16,160
smart underwear designed to shield

1215
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:19,810
against mobile phone radiation and quote

1216
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,930
quote for any man who still feels a bit

1217
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:25,520
uneasy about the side effects of

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00:45:29,050 --> 00:45:27,290
carrying around a mobile in their pocket

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00:45:31,150 --> 00:45:29,060
a new pair of underwear has been

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00:45:33,460 --> 00:45:31,160
developed to protect their packet from

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00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:33,470
any potentially harmful radiation end

1222
00:45:39,340 --> 00:45:37,640
quote following was a piece which could

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00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:39,350
well be read as an unpaid advertorial

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00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:42,680
for wireless armor a UK startup who have

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00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:44,210
developed men's underwear which

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00:45:48,010 --> 00:45:46,460
incorporates silver into its fabric to

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00:45:50,050 --> 00:45:48,020
allegedly shield the wearer from

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00:45:53,350 --> 00:45:50,060
electromagnetic radiation emitted by

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00:45:56,860 --> 00:45:53,360
mobile phones the news com au article

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00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:56,870
states quote with scientific studies on

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00:46:00,940 --> 00:45:58,640
the link between exposure to wireless

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00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:00,950
radiation affecting sperm count and with

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00:46:04,660 --> 00:46:02,900
most men carrying their mobile phones in

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00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:04,670
pockets or using laptops on a daily

1235
00:46:11,890 --> 00:46:09,410
basis these boxes costing 24 pounds $43

1236
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:11,900
when available could be the solution to

1237
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:15,760
that worry many males face end quote

1238
00:46:20,980 --> 00:46:18,920
interesting language the news Khmer your

1239
00:46:23,140 --> 00:46:20,990
article mentions that there are quote

1240
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:23,150
scientific studies on the link between

1241
00:46:28,330 --> 00:46:25,580
exposure to wireless radiation affecting

1242
00:46:30,190 --> 00:46:28,340
sperm count end quote but does not

1243
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:30,200
actually state that any such link has

1244
00:46:35,380 --> 00:46:32,450
been discovered nor the outcomes of any

1245
00:46:37,090 --> 00:46:35,390
studies a caption beneath a photograph

1246
00:46:40,300 --> 00:46:37,100
of the underwear similarly avoids making

1247
00:46:42,430 --> 00:46:40,310
any direct claims quote this pair of

1248
00:46:44,410 --> 00:46:42,440
high-tech underwear has been designed to

1249
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:44,420
protect men from the potential harmful

1250
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:46,550
effects of mobile phone radiation and

1251
00:46:52,750 --> 00:46:50,000
quote that certain the founder of

1252
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:52,760
wireless AMA Joseph Perkins a Bachelor

1253
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:54,650
of Science in physics and former physics

1254
00:47:00,310 --> 00:46:56,720
teacher is quoted in the article the

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00:47:01,750 --> 00:47:00,320
same quote wireless armor is designed to

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00:47:04,090 --> 00:47:01,760
protect the health of a wireless

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00:47:06,190 --> 00:47:04,100
generation glued to their mobile devices

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00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:06,200
the fabric has been put through rigorous

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00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,330
testing from external electromagnetic

1260
00:47:12,940 --> 00:47:10,720
consulting company wave scientific

1261
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,950
results indicate that while a summer

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00:47:18,310 --> 00:47:15,680
fabric blocks 99.9 percent of harmful

1263
00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:18,320
radiation making the garments

1264
00:47:24,100 --> 00:47:20,150
the effective form of protection end

1265
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:24,110
quote Joseph Perkins seems to be making

1266
00:47:28,830 --> 00:47:25,850
the claim the radiation from mobile

1267
00:47:31,630 --> 00:47:28,840
devices such as smartphones causes harm

1268
00:47:33,580 --> 00:47:31,640
he's running an IndieGoGo campaign to

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00:47:36,010 --> 00:47:33,590
fund the first run of wireless armor and

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00:47:37,900 --> 00:47:36,020
by attaining a position as one of the

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00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:37,910
top ten back of an envelope startup

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00:47:41,530 --> 00:47:40,010
ideas has courted the support of none

1273
00:47:45,450 --> 00:47:41,540
other than Richard Branson in his

1274
00:47:48,070 --> 00:47:45,460
endeavors well what's the evidence

1275
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:48,080
fortunately while Osama are active users

1276
00:47:51,730 --> 00:47:50,210
of Twitter and provided a link to peer

1277
00:47:54,310 --> 00:47:51,740
reviewed studies when questioned on

1278
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:54,320
their claim the link was to a page on

1279
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:55,910
the environmental working groups website

1280
00:48:00,760 --> 00:47:58,970
which cites several studies a couple

1281
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:00,770
which conducted lab based in vitro

1282
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:02,810
analysis of sperm samples exposed to

1283
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:04,180
varying levels of electromagnetic

1284
00:48:08,380 --> 00:48:06,980
radiation the results which are

1285
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,390
interesting but not necessarily

1286
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:10,400
representative of real-life situations

1287
00:48:14,950 --> 00:48:13,040
and several which used self selected

1288
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:14,960
samples of men who were self reporting

1289
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:16,820
on questionnaires a form of data

1290
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:17,930
collection which is not necessarily

1291
00:48:22,540 --> 00:48:21,170
reliable I think it's fair to state that

1292
00:48:25,870 --> 00:48:22,550
the studies cited are far from

1293
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:25,880
conclusive looking at wireless armors

1294
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:28,250
website other sources are also linked to

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00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:29,450
support the suggestion that

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00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:31,280
electromagnetic radiation emitted from

1297
00:48:36,370 --> 00:48:33,740
cell phones can be harmful including a

1298
00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:36,380
website which sells laptop radiation and

1299
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:38,510
heat shields and a website which

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00:48:41,530 --> 00:48:39,950
recourse the sad account of an

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00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:41,540
individual who has suffered cancer

1302
00:48:46,030 --> 00:48:43,610
personally believes that his cancer was

1303
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:46,040
caused by electromagnetic radiation and

1304
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:48,050
goes on to attribute many health

1305
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:49,970
conditions from allergies to

1306
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:53,050
miscarriages to multiple sclerosis to

1307
00:48:58,570 --> 00:48:56,180
electromagnetic radiation a fine example

1308
00:49:01,210 --> 00:48:58,580
of what catan she refers to us anything

1309
00:49:03,340 --> 00:49:01,220
syndrome in which self-reported ailments

1310
00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:03,350
are attributed to a cause often the

1311
00:49:09,340 --> 00:49:06,700
technology with no proven causal link on

1312
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:09,350
their website y las Armas seemed to

1313
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:11,210
bounce back and forth between claiming

1314
00:49:15,070 --> 00:49:12,860
the electromagnetic radiation is harmful

1315
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:15,080
and stating that it is potentially

1316
00:49:18,790 --> 00:49:17,210
harmful in the latter case they're

1317
00:49:20,350 --> 00:49:18,800
strongly questioned whether people wish

1318
00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:20,360
to wait for conclusive evidence before

1319
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:24,350
taking risk avoiding measures quote at

1320
00:49:27,370 --> 00:49:25,970
Wireless Amal we do not want to wait

1321
00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:27,380
around whilst the government and

1322
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:29,480
scientific community confirm a hundred

1323
00:49:31,549 --> 00:49:30,890
percent whether it is harmful to our

1324
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,559
health

1325
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:33,180
we would rather protect ourselves now

1326
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:35,369
and find out later don't be a test

1327
00:49:41,630 --> 00:49:39,839
subject and quote in response to tweets

1328
00:49:43,459 --> 00:49:41,640
stating that radio signals have never

1329
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:43,469
been proven to lower sperm count or

1330
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:45,839
cause cancer and that the studies cited

1331
00:49:50,749 --> 00:49:47,640
by the Environmental Working Group when

1332
00:49:53,299 --> 00:49:50,759
nonsense Wireless armor responded quote

1333
00:49:55,009 --> 00:49:53,309
you are entitled to that opinion it is

1334
00:49:58,339 --> 00:49:55,019
the fantastic thing about living in a

1335
00:49:59,959 --> 00:49:58,349
free world end quote where opinions

1336
00:50:01,519 --> 00:49:59,969
count when it comes to making claims

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that information is factual and

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scientifically based I'm not sure so for

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those people who feel that the potential

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for harm from electromagnetic radiation

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while never proven is still something

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they wish to protect themselves from how

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as well as I'm a purported to work from

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y las Armas IndieGoGo campaign quote

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wireless armors products have a mesh of

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pure silver woven into the fabric of

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each item this in cases the users are in

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a cage of metal this is a special type

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of cage called a Faraday cage named

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after the man who invented it Michael

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Faraday the reason that this cage is

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special is because any electromagnetic

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radiation that hits it is distributed

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evenly around the cage therefore not

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allowing it to enter the cage and effect

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whatever is stored within it and quote

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oh no while the silver weave fabric may

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have some shielding properties these

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Underpants are not behaving as a Faraday

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cage a Faraday cage is a fully enclosed

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ink container made from a mesh of highly

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conductive metal often brass or copper

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which blocks external static and non

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static electrical fields by channeling

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electricity around the cage preventing

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it from entering the space within the

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mesh itself must be thick and contain

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holes which are significantly smaller

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than the length of the wave of the

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electromagnetic radiation at guards

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against so that the wave is reflected

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rather than allowed to permeate the mesh

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Faraday cages are connected to an earth

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ground to dissipate any currents induced

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from external or internal

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00:51:42,140 --> 00:51:39,599
electromagnetic fields a pair of mesh

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00:51:44,689 --> 00:51:42,150
underpants on the other hand has three

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00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:44,699
rather large holes one for the wearer's

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force

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and two for their legs which one is a

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00:51:52,849 --> 00:51:50,970
not a cage additionally unless the

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wearer has a copper wire attached their

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00:51:56,299 --> 00:51:54,690
underpants at one end and to a copper

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00:51:58,490 --> 00:51:56,309
rod driven a meter into the ground at

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00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,500
the other a pair of mesh Underpants are

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not grounded a pair of mesh Underpants

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and not a Faraday cage while salma do

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00:52:10,940 --> 00:52:09,030
however have a back-up claim in response

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to questions on the pause ability of

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their claims regarding electromagnetic

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radiations effect on sperm and the

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00:52:18,620 --> 00:52:17,069
necessity for protective underwear while

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as Alma have stated on their reddit

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00:52:24,140 --> 00:52:21,720
thread quote if it comes out that am

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00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:24,150
radiation is not bad for us then people

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00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:25,680
will still have very comfortable

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00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:27,450
underwear with all the other beneficial

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00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:30,089
properties of silver we have a lot more

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00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:32,130
silver in our products above twenty

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percent than other antimicrobial

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00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:36,599
underwear around five percent and so

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00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:38,250
ours will be very good at over to

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00:52:44,030 --> 00:52:39,750
resistance and stopping the growth of

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00:52:45,710 --> 00:52:44,040
bacteria and a quote well yes but

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00:52:48,380 --> 00:52:45,720
frankly I'd be much more inclined to

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00:52:50,089 --> 00:52:48,390
take my $45 purchase several pairs of

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00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,099
cheaper cotton underwear and perhaps

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00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:52,440
some soap and maintain clean and dry

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00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,900
nether regions I'd like to note that if

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00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:56,460
you have concerns about unpleasant

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00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:58,410
smells or bacteria a check in with your

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00:53:03,620 --> 00:53:02,160
GP may be wise in summary while Osama

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00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:03,630
our marketing a product that is

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00:53:07,819 --> 00:53:05,940
extremely unlikely to be necessary and

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00:53:09,740 --> 00:53:07,829
embracing a concern which is not

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00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:09,750
scientifically supported in order to

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00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,420
market them and even if radiation from

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00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:14,160
wireless devices did affect sperm

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00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:15,930
quality the mechanism by which they

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00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:17,819
claim that their product operates is a

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00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:20,790
physical impossibility how somebody with

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00:53:25,220 --> 00:53:22,380
a physics degree is unable to realize

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00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:25,230
this and one news co mayo and several

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00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,240
other media outlets and indeed Richard

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00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:29,040
Branson himself are unwilling to

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00:53:32,539 --> 00:53:30,630
properly investigate such before

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00:53:35,510 --> 00:53:32,549
promoting this underwear is quite a

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00:53:37,579 --> 00:53:35,520
mystery to me one claim I am willing to

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00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:37,589
make with relative certainty over is the

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00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:40,710
wireless armor or indeed a bunch of

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00:53:46,849 --> 00:53:44,849
pants as this report goes to air neither

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00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:46,859
IndieGoGo nor Richard Branson have

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00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:48,930
replied to emails since 7th of May

1434
00:53:53,569 --> 00:53:50,819
explaining the nature of the claims

1435
00:53:55,490 --> 00:53:53,579
wireless armor making I'd like to thank

1436
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:55,500
where's MGK from Twitter for his help

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00:53:58,550 --> 00:53:57,450
with this report in particular for

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00:53:59,960 --> 00:53:58,560
performing

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00:54:02,270 --> 00:53:59,970
King from a broadcast engineer's

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00:54:04,460 --> 00:54:02,280
perspective and for contacting relevant

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00:54:06,380 --> 00:54:04,470
parties for comment links to our

1442
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:06,390
webpages mentioned in this article can

1443
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:08,430
be found on my blog at evidence plays

1444
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:29,020
hien causes hello an ally Dawson to her

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00:54:33,430 --> 00:54:31,849
that the skeptics on podcasts boasted

1446
00:54:35,500 --> 00:54:33,440
year does is Alvin Deutschland and in

1447
00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:35,510
skeptic of a band gift / vital

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00:54:42,190 --> 00:54:37,940
information Oberon's on the skeptic

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00:54:45,819 --> 00:54:42,200
magazine reserved vvv point and gave a

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00:54:49,900 --> 00:54:45,829
loop a punk talk each vida holla vay vay

1451
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:49,910
vay won't give a rupee potok on Tonto

1452
00:55:10,420 --> 00:54:51,650
off it say on facebook twitter and

1453
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:12,920
thank you for listening to the skipping

1454
00:55:18,170 --> 00:55:15,450
zone and coming up next week more

1455
00:55:21,290 --> 00:55:18,180
interviews from perricone the paranormal

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00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:21,300
convention more interviews from QED in

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00:55:27,650 --> 00:55:24,120
Manchester with Iran sir give and well

1458
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:27,660
who knows that's one of the things I

1459
00:55:30,890 --> 00:55:29,370
like about the skeptic so now I don't

1460
00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:30,900
even know what's coming up from week to

1461
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:34,620
week sometimes things just happen you

1462
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:38,730
know who can predict the future well not

1463
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:41,040
many people well nobody well sometimes

1464
00:55:46,550 --> 00:55:44,730
well depends on how you look at it I can

1465
00:55:48,350 --> 00:55:46,560
predict that next week there'll be

1466
00:55:50,450 --> 00:55:48,360
another episode of the skeptic sound and

1467
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,460
next week we'll see if that prediction

1468
00:55:54,830 --> 00:55:53,040
comes true and speaking of predictions

1469
00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:54,840
haven't done this one for a few months

1470
00:56:00,560 --> 00:55:58,460
I've got my ten sided die right here so

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00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:00,570
let's see how you go this time folks

1472
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:06,090
think of a number from one to ten one to

1473
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:09,420
ten could be one could be two etc all

1474
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:10,680
the way up to ten I'm going to roll the

1475
00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:12,180
dice have you thought of your number I

1476
00:56:19,070 --> 00:56:15,750
hope you have here it comes I would hit

1477
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,080
a glass but never mind ate all those

1478
00:56:25,220 --> 00:56:21,540
people who predicted the number eight

1479
00:56:27,860 --> 00:56:25,230
and well done oh one last thing before I

1480
00:56:31,220 --> 00:56:27,870
wind up the show if you haven't heard

1481
00:56:32,770 --> 00:56:31,230
the skeptic zone adventure solar flare

1482
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:32,780
which we put out about a year ago

1483
00:56:38,150 --> 00:56:35,370
starring lots of the skeptics own gang

1484
00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:38,160
and lots of special guests just go to ww

1485
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:42,060
skeptic zone TV scroll down the page a

1486
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:45,450
little bit and you'll see solar flare

1487
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:49,140
the band of power an audio adventure we

1488
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:51,210
had a lot of fun making it and if you

1489
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,010
haven't heard it give it a go it's lots

1490
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:55,380
of fun but for this week this is Richard

1491
00:57:01,999 --> 00:56:57,750
Saunders signing off from Sydney

1492
00:57:09,420 --> 00:57:04,410
you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:09,430
zone visit her website at www skeptics